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Dave
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Posted: January/15/07 at 9:47am |
I'm not amused.
1. Please don't drive 130mph down Woodinville Redmond road - we live near by and it's absolutely NOT suited to those kinds of speeds. No I'm not kidding. I don't think this is very funny.
2. It would not be unreasonable for the Washington State Patrol to subpoena the records of this board to discover who's posting these claims of high speed antics. I'd recommend that you don't brag about violating the law in writing on this board.
Just my 2 cents - I'd hate to see the Washington State Patrol turn up to our next gathering. You have the right not to testify against yourself. I strongly suggest you take full advantage of it.
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HighBid
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Posted: January/15/07 at 12:25pm |
It would be ridiculous for anyone to drive 130 anywhere in the woodinville redmond area so i guess you are covered. No one who would be a member of a group as good as this would do that.
It would be unreasonable for WSP to subpoena records because unsubstantiated boasts are a far cry from evidence and misdomeanor acts should be witnessed by an officer before a citation is issued.
That said, we appreciate the advice counselor.
Jeff
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Dave
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Posted: January/16/07 at 9:59am |
HighBid wrote:
It would be ridiculous for anyone to drive 130 anywhere in the woodinville redmond area so i guess you are covered. No one who would be a member of a group as good as this would do that.
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Wouldn't it though? Just take a look back through this thread. I'm intimately familiar with the road in question and have a fairly powerful car. I somewhat doubt the veracity of the claim (which is a good thing )
Oh and I'm no saint, I'm not trying to be a party pooper - I just prefer to confess my sins in private
Edited by Dave - January/16/07 at 10:43am
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QandElf
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Posted: January/16/07 at 10:30am |
Dave, I went back through the thread and see what you mean. I thought at first you were talking about my comment, and I was going to remind everyone that I was on the Autostradale coming into Genova with 25+ downhill grades, and 130mph isn't the same in Europe (well, it's the same, but it isn't the same).
Then I looked back to the bottom of page 1. I don't think any sane person would think it's OK to speed through a residential area, and with two young kids, I REALLY don't think it's OK. That's what Track Days and Desert roads (note: Desert, not just Deserted) are for.
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gearhead
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Posted: December/24/07 at 11:38am |
I know this is an old thread - even in it's second revival, but I couldn't help posting my thoughts...
HighBid wrote:
It would be unreasonable for WSP to subpoena records because unsubstantiated boasts are a far cry from evidence and misdomeanor acts should be witnessed by an officer before a citation is issued. |
Might wanna read up on the state's Rules of the Road.
Revised Code of Washington wrote:
RCW 46.61.535Advertising of unlawful speed — Reckless driving. |
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shall be unlawful for any manufacturer, dealer, distributor, or any
person, firm, or corporation to publish or advertise or offer for
publication or advertisement, or to consent or cause to be published or
advertised, the time consumed or speed attained by a vehicle between
given points or over given or designated distances upon any public
highways of this state when such published or advertised time consumed
or speed attained shall indicate an average rate of speed between given
points or over a given or designated distance in excess of the maximum
rate of speed allowed between such points or at a rate of speed which
would constitute reckless driving between such points. Violation of any
of the provisions of this section shall be prima facie evidence of
reckless driving and shall subject such person, firm, or corporation to
the penalties in such cases provided. |
I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, but this forum is made up primarily, if not entirely by people who live in WA. IMHO, it is not wise to make claims to speeding on public roads in WA when you live here. They can use this against you in a court of law. All my high speed antics are on closed courses or private roads.
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scoop
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Posted: December/24/07 at 1:31pm |
Dear WSP:
I did 246 mph in my wife's Cooper on Interstate 5 through downtown Seattle tonight (Might have been 248 -- I took my eyes off the gauge to sip my mocha).
Please subpoena me, cuff me, and stuff me so that I can contact Guinness and finally make it into the record book.
Appreciatively, Mr. Cupcake
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garumph
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Posted: December/24/07 at 1:48pm |
Liar, I bet it was the S.
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Dave
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Posted: December/24/07 at 1:53pm |
gearhead wrote:
I know this is an old thread - even in it's second revival, but I couldn't help posting my thoughts...
HighBid wrote:
It would be unreasonable for WSP to subpoena records because unsubstantiated boasts are a far cry from evidence and misdomeanor acts should be witnessed by an officer before a citation is issued. |
Might wanna read up on the state's Rules of the Road.
Revised Code of Washington wrote:
RCW 46.61.535
Advertising of unlawful speed — Reckless driving. |
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It shall be unlawful for any manufacturer, dealer, distributor, or any person, firm, or corporation to publish or advertise or offer for publication or advertisement, or to consent or cause to be published or advertised, the time consumed or speed attained by a vehicle between given points or over given or designated distances upon any public highways of this state when such published or advertised time consumed or speed attained shall indicate an average rate of speed between given points or over a given or designated distance in excess of the maximum rate of speed allowed between such points or at a rate of speed which would constitute reckless driving between such points. Violation of any of the provisions of this section shall be prima facie evidence of reckless driving and shall subject such person, firm, or corporation to the penalties in such cases provided. |
I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, but this forum is made up primarily, if not entirely by people who live in WA. IMHO, it is not wise to make claims to speeding on public roads in WA when you live here. They can use this against you in a court of law.
All my high speed antics are on closed courses or private roads.
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johnf36
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Posted: December/24/07 at 3:31pm |
Just something else to think about. Washington,Oregon,Idaho, Utah and Montana all have something called wildlife and they don't use the crosswalks. You might not worry about it, but even at the posted speed it can be hard to stop in time. Want to see some damage hit a Coyote, Mule deer, Elk, Bear, Mountain Lion or even a Moose. Just keep in mind when you have roads where the growth is close(20') to the road they can jump out anywhere at over 100 your reaction time is not that fast for a surprise.
There is a section of road in Oregon out in no where it has no turns where things can be opened up, Like a few here in Washington. But as I mentioned before you can't control what the wildlife will do an when.
Just food for thought.
BTW: Yes my Mini will go faster then the posted speed Limit.
John
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garumph
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Posted: December/25/07 at 2:04am |
No one will bust you on just a post on the site, but it might be used as supporting evidence. Say several drivers complained about speeding MINI's on HW 18 then someone posted about how they were doing 120+. Then they might get in trouble.
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Baxter
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Posted: December/26/07 at 1:29pm |
I find it interesting that people have a hard time believing just how fast a
Cooper can go... I tell people how fast I have been in mine and they cant
believe it...
Edited by Baxter - December/26/07 at 1:31pm
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onramp
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Posted: December/26/07 at 10:41pm |
Unfortunately, my big, bad JCW is computer limited to 125. NW
Mini says they can't reprogram it. Unichip is looking into a
work-around solution.
JCW sucks.
Pat
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Sanderskog
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Posted: December/27/07 at 1:15am |
onramp wrote:
Unfortunately, my big, bad JCW is computer limited to 125. NW Mini says they can't reprogram it. Unichip is looking into a work-around solution. JCW sucks.
Pat
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I can understand that for 90+% of the JCW drivers but for people such as yourself, who track the car, that has got to be frustrating.
Todd
Edited by Sanderskog - December/28/07 at 11:41am
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Baxter
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Posted: December/28/07 at 6:29am |
So the JCW cars are limited at a slower speed than the stock s? That really doesnt make much sense...
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onramp
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Posted: December/28/07 at 12:27pm |
I really pushed at the SA about this. I was already fairly hacked
about a 5+ hour wait to have my car reassembled using the old parts
because they discovered they didn't have the new parts they scheduled
me in for. While waiting, I asked about the crummy gas mileage
(10mpg while doing a steady throttle 25mph on a level street in
3rd gear seem a bit excessive?). Go get a bottle of injector
cleaner (tho I already use Chevron with Techroline). Two bottles
of cleaner later - 10mpg while doddling along at 25 mph in 3rd
gear. But I'm off the subject.
I then asked - "Oh, would dirty injectors keep me from seeing anything
above 120, 125 on the mile long front straight at Spokane (with a
tailwind)?" Oh no, was the answer - that's the speed limit set by
the JCW computer. Seems when you start getting a bit carried away
with yourself, the timing retards and the injectors squirt a bit
less. Oh cool.
So, lessee here (temper is showing a bit again). How much more
did I pay for this load of stuff I was fed about the JCW "upgrades"
(don't really ask, I'm waaayyy to embarrassed). But I'll be happy
to discuss the dumpy "big brakes" that aren't, and for which you
couldn't find a track compound until just recently. How about a
restrictive paper air filter for the "cold air box" that costs
$225 to replace. How about the "big" 17mm "track ready" rear sway
bar.
And now, I can't go any faster than 125?? I guess I shouldn't
really have expected anything more. Next Mini - Dinan all the way.
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onramp
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Posted: December/28/07 at 12:29pm |
I'm still mad. Can I say John Crapper Works, which don't really work?
Pat
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 12:43am |
Pat why not do a MTH Tuner remap?
Check these threads over at MINI2
Links for MTH, looks like Essential MINI can take your JCW to 230 with a MTH Tune
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Rob N
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Posted: December/29/07 at 6:15am |
Pat,
I was out cruising today and tried the 3rd Gear 25mph thingy. Was indicating around 40 with a computer reset. Wonder if part of your 4 isn't working and indicating 10 instead of 40??
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onramp
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Posted: December/29/07 at 6:30am |
Thanks, John - I tried emailing the first two websites, and both emails
bounced back. I'm talking to Alta about a unichip, which might be
a better solution while the car is under warranty.
I don't see the post here, but saw one in my email where Rob wondered
about the 10mpg and 125 limit. I am reading the mpg on the
scanguage - settings are mpg, mph, rpm and intake air temp. Just
checked it again this morning on the way to the office. 10
mpg. Regarding the speed limiter, I don't know if what the SA
said is true - they also told me the slotted rotors for the 07 wouldn't
fit my 06 JCW brakes (wrong) and I don't think anybody else has ever
had bad info from an SA before, but the reason I asked in the first
place is I can't reach that speed at Pacific Raceways, and can just
barely reach it at Spokane Raceway Park with its mile long straight
(and a stiff tailwind). Mitch Delabarre (another instructor)
driving an 04 MCS with a pulley and CAI drives by me like a cruiser
going by the local A&W checking out the babes (10 mph?). I
have tried to find out about the JCW ECU but haven't come up with
anything like this (my search technique sucks when compared to Johnf36,
though).
BTW - John - have you had a chance to take a pic of the rear lpbm without the connector?
Pat
Edited by onramp - December/30/07 at 12:05am
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onramp
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Posted: December/29/07 at 6:57am |
Hi, Rob: I get to see over 40mpg when in neutral, changing gears
(idle speed) when coming off the freeway. I also get bad mileage
at other speeds and in other gears. I've had passengers comment
about the mileage readings on the scanguage as well. When driving
normally (other drivers would think I was driving normally), I
sometimes see 23, 24 mpg - usually above 45 mph, and usually with the
foot off the gas. I've actually kept a log of repeatable
instances (10 mpg at 25 mph in 3rd) as well as the overall mileage from
every tank. I asked the SA to go for a ride with me and watch the
guage, but he wanted me to try the cleaner first. I really think
he didn't want to go for a ride with me because I was actually feeling
pretty grumpy - I think he had a hint when I offered to go out and help
the tech put my old rotors and old brake pads on (this was around hour
three of my wait). He told me that they were checking out the
rest of the braking system because those pads should have lasted more
than 13 or 14 thou. Sigh.
Pat
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 9:57am |
Pat here is one of the web sites for aothorized MTH dealer
And here it is old school
California |
Central Coast Coopers / Ventura County / Oxnard, California |
Fon 805-487-4748 Fon 877-885-MINI |
cccoopers@aol.com |
Dallas |
Kevin Haughey / 120 Forest Park Dr. / Double Oak, TX 75077 |
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khaughey@gmail.com fuego@metroplexmini.org |
Gloucester |
advanced technologies / lee malo / 27 kondelin rd / 01930 gloucester |
Fon 978 337 3761 Fon 978 282 5544 |
l-malo@msn.com |
New York / New Jersey |
Precision-Mini
Don Hollingshead Warren, NJ |
Fon 732-748-1964 Mob 732-259-5941 |
mthpower@dmhmotorsports.net www.dmhmotorsports.net |
North Hills / Ca |
Steve's Auto Clinic / 16205 Nordhoff Street / North Hills, Ca 91343 |
Fon 818-891-6109 Fax 818-891-6433 |
mth-astra@earthlink.net |
Oklahoma |
Mike Tickle / 1805 Deerwood Trail / Midwest City, Oklahoma 73130 |
Fon 405 737-7420 Fax 405 570-1780 |
mtickle@cox.net |
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 11:14am |
Okay how about this?
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 12:00pm |
Hey don't get caught speeding in Virginia, how does a 3550 speeding ticket sound?
John
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onramp
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Posted: December/29/07 at 12:01pm |
Hmmm. I thought Adam's unichip was pricey. Not too bad now! However, maybe my software does have a glitch. Just gotta convince the SA that I'm not some looney bin. (Quiet, Rob!!)
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 12:31pm |
Pat maybe you shoud drag him to the track?
John
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johnf36
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Posted: December/29/07 at 2:29pm |
Pat back to the brakes, just a thought, since you eat those pads up so fast. Could you speed and mpg be related to the DSC not operating properly? Just a thought?
John
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onramp
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Posted: December/30/07 at 12:14am |
I don't think so. I drove around most of last summer with the DSC
off. Been driving lately with it on. The brake pads are
directly related to how many miles done at the track.
Not sure how the DSC works, but I don't see it working very often when
I have it switched on. It pretty much kills the car when leaving
a stop sign and turning right onto another street. I often don't
even sense any tire slippage. When pointed straight, I can spin
the tires (no effort needed for that, just wet pavement and a normal
take off), and the DSC just blinks a bit. Coming out of T3b,
feeding in accelerator just before apex as I'm rotating the car - the
car dies until I quit sliding and get off the gas.
Anyway, I don't think the DSC works the brakes - just retards timing
and maybe fuel. I get the same mpg on my test spots with or
without DSC. I will ask about it when I call NW Mini.
Pat
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johnf36
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Posted: December/30/07 at 1:25am |
My understanding was it measures steering angle,yaw and lateral acceleration to apply corrective brake pressure. Thought being brake drag might be causing hp loss and robbing mpg also causing short pad life. What do you think?
John
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onramp
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Posted: December/30/07 at 5:16am |
I don't think it is that complex, tho it might be. I can say for
sure that the brake thing is totally un-noticeable. When
accelerating on a right turn in the wet, the motor dies but the car
keeps rolling until I get the front wheels straight.
I've driven cars (both BMW and Porsche) where you feel the action of
DSC or PASM or whatever other acronyms apply. Lights flash and
the car goes where pointed. All very smooth, and not like my
Mini. I tell students that when the light flashes, the car just
might have saved him/her a LOT of bucks.
At any rate, I don't drive hard enough to see the DSC working very
often, and on the occasion that it does, I'm usually pointed straight
ahead, leaving a light, in the wet.
Also - I had it turned off ALL summer.
Pat
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Rob N
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Posted: December/30/07 at 5:39am |
DSC will cut the power off if you start spinning the wheels like taking off in gravel. Beware. It can be very inconvenient when entering a busy road....
Out of curiosity, what does you OBC say your mileage is as compared to the scan gauge? How do both compare to calculated values.
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