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MINI-Rolls
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Topic: Oil Catch Can Posted: April/16/07 at 1:25am |
There has been discussions around the Oil Catch can on the 'S'. There are two ways to hook the system up. The first is the Alta/ M-7 configuration, this caps off the high pressure vacuum line on the super charger and only uses the low pressue line on the intake. The second uses the high pressure vacuum line on the super charger and leaves the low pressue line on the intake. Here is the thread from NAM. The first method allows excessive pressure build up in the engine, the second functions as the way MINI designed the engine. If you have or are considering an Oil Catch Can please review the information on the set up. Do not cause yourself headaches by hooking it up incorrectly. Edited by MINI-Rolls - April/16/07 at 11:42pm |
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kulmini
MINI Motorer Joined: January/27/07 Location: Lacey, WA Status: Offline Points: 1508 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 2:05am |
So David, are you saying that the detailed picture method in the link connecting the Alta OCC is NOT the correct method but the one outlined further down in the thread scribbled on a notepad is correct. Just not sure I am following which is the first (incorrect)method, etc......... Thanks, Don |
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MINI-Rolls
MINI Motorer Joined: August/12/04 Location: Olympia Status: Offline Points: 2386 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 2:24am |
The first diagram taht outlines the ALTA is not correct. It caps off the high pressure vacuum from the supercharger. If you set it up the ALTA way you will most likely not find any oil in the catch can.
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Rob N
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Posted: April/16/07 at 2:27am |
I'm confused as well. If you hook up both right and left vent hoses to flow through the cc then to the hi vacumn tube, is that correct?
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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MINI-Rolls
MINI Motorer Joined: August/12/04 Location: Olympia Status: Offline Points: 2386 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 3:12am |
That will work the Alta hookup does not use the high pressure. However, the non-pvc vent really does not need to hook up to the catch can. The easiest route is just install the catch can between the PVC and the high pressure side of SC. If you disconnect and plug the SC high pressure line the PVC valve will not vent properly. This may result in overpressure in the engine. An owner NAM blew his valve cover open with this setup.
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Rob N
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Posted: April/16/07 at 5:07am |
Even though it doesn't have to be hooked to the high pressure line, is it still OK to have the non-PCV vent hooked in. In other words, using the Alta suggested routing with the vacumn source hose connected to the high pressure line rather than CAI??
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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Rob N
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Posted: April/16/07 at 10:35am |
I dug and dug through the NAM threads on this subject and generally the seemed to have settled on something like posted here. Not my artwork but effective. |
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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YakiMini
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Posted: April/16/07 at 11:17am |
This is good info! Thanks Dave!!!
You da MINI Man!!! |
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CINIMIN
MINI Motorer Joined: August/27/05 Location: Everett WA Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 11:51am |
Rob - where your diagram shows an "Optional OCC" would that be a 2nd OCC or is that an optional location for a single OCC? Jack |
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Jack -
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Sanderskog
MINI Motorer Joined: October/08/04 Location: Sammamish Status: Offline Points: 1960 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 12:09pm |
Can a newb ask a question? What does installing the oil catch can accomplish (other than catching said oil )? Todd |
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MINI-Rolls
MINI Motorer Joined: August/12/04 Location: Olympia Status: Offline Points: 2386 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 12:17pm |
Keeps said oil out of the intercooler, it tends to build up. Rob, I was trying to look for the same one. Yes, the 2nd OCC is optional, and would not gather much oil. I have the optional one hooked like the diagram, as it came from the dealer. Not just me YakiMini, you know it is like the mudflap thing..... |
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CINIMIN
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Posted: April/16/07 at 12:39pm |
Is this correct? |
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MINI-Rolls
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Posted: April/16/07 at 12:44pm |
Wow Jack, nice diagram that is it......I wish I had that talent and time.
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CINIMIN
MINI Motorer Joined: August/27/05 Location: Everett WA Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 12:47pm |
All you need is VISIO -
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Jack -
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MINI-Rolls
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Posted: April/16/07 at 12:53pm |
have but no time or patience to draw it out. Rather try to find with no luck, found some other neat stuff.
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YakiMini
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Posted: April/16/07 at 3:03pm |
You got my opinion on your mudflaps at AMVIV
Mumms the word! I have a reputation to keep on here |
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Wildfamily
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Posted: April/16/07 at 10:17pm |
You're kidding me!?! You mean that M7 doesn't tell you the right way to hook up their catch can (and Alta?)?!?! That seems a bit odd to me. If so then I'm going to be a little ticked off. I did drain my catch can though last week and there was a bunch of fluid in there so it must be doing something right. I'll follow-up with M7 and see what they have to say as well I guess.
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MINI-Rolls
MINI Motorer Joined: August/12/04 Location: Olympia Status: Offline Points: 2386 |
Posted: April/16/07 at 11:53pm |
This is the last page of a thread on NAM explains a little more of my thoughts.
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t =88494&page=4 |
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Rob N
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Posted: April/17/07 at 2:10am |
I have had my Alta occ for quite a while, hooked up the Alta way. Have collected very little oil and this probably explains why. How does M7 say to install? Should I be concerned about collapse if I connect the Alta silicone hoses to the grey tube. |
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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MINI-Rolls
MINI Motorer Joined: August/12/04 Location: Olympia Status: Offline Points: 2386 |
Posted: April/17/07 at 2:12am |
Collapse is possible, becuase of the material the Alta is made from. Is there anyway to reinforce the Alta on the inside?
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Rob N
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Posted: April/17/07 at 2:12am |
Never mind the M7 question. I found it on their web site. Just like the Alta install.
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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kulmini
MINI Motorer Joined: January/27/07 Location: Lacey, WA Status: Offline Points: 1508 |
Posted: April/17/07 at 2:55am |
Wow! I am looking to install a OCC, any suggestions out there? I want to do it the right way with the right product.
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QandElf
MINI Motorer Joined: April/18/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1143 |
Posted: April/17/07 at 4:53am |
OK, I'm going to repost one of my old questions. Where in this does the VGS mod fit in? I have my 'QWERKS' OCC set up just like Jack's lower picture. I've been trying to figure out where the best place/way to set up the VGS, but I've seen no picks, and only so-so drawings. (Jack's Drawing ROCKS!!!) |
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Rob N
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Posted: April/17/07 at 6:04am |
The VGS mod really doesn't affect any of this plumbing. It just replaces the existing vacumn source for the throttle bypass valve with a better one. mikesminirox can do it in about 5 minutes at one of our tech sessions although you do have to remove the intercooler. BTW, that's how all of this business about catch cans got started in the first place. When I pulled mine for the VGS, I struck oil. You really don't need the VGS however unless you are experiencing the mysterious yoyo.
There is a diagram somewhere amongst these forums as to how it is plummed but it is just a little tubing and a tee or two installed with a very long pair of needle noses. |
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Rob, Vickie and Alice
COOPR-S The question is, "When you turn on your car does it return the favor?" |
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kulmini
MINI Motorer Joined: January/27/07 Location: Lacey, WA Status: Offline Points: 1508 |
Posted: April/18/07 at 11:22am |
So are we going to have a tech session sometime in the future where those with mechanical ability can help us less fortunate ones that have little to no mechanical ability install and plumb a OCC and any suggestions of which OCC and supplements one should purchase? It concerns me that both Alta and M7 issue instruction on installing the OCC wrong, what performance shop is doing it correctly? I certainly do not want to strike oil......... Don |
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QandElf
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Posted: April/18/07 at 11:32am |
Well, I know I posted one picture a while ago, but I couldn't get more explaination. I know I have to pull the IC. I've also got the Yo-Yo effect, although I swear it's intermittant. I've even talked to Mike about it, his comment was 'Oh, it's real easy, takes no time'. No guidance. I guess I'm just worried about doing something wrong. Here's the thread: |
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kulmini
MINI Motorer Joined: January/27/07 Location: Lacey, WA Status: Offline Points: 1508 |
Posted: May/01/07 at 12:34pm |
Like to bring this topic back to life - still looking for some suggestions on which OCC is recommended and also looking for some assistance in the install of same as I am a bit mechanically challenged. Don't mind getting in there and getting my hands dirty but just don't have the mechanical confidence to jump in and make changes necessary to install OCC. Thanks for any assistance in this matter. Don |
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CINIMIN
MINI Motorer Joined: August/27/05 Location: Everett WA Status: Offline Points: 4676 |
Posted: May/01/07 at 12:41pm |
If someone wants to provide more information, like the names for the various connection points, I'll be happy to update the schematic and repost... Jack |
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Jack -
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onramp
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Posted: May/01/07 at 1:17pm |
Hi, Don:
I'd be happy to help. I've already installed the M7 can (very pretty machining), have the tools and the diagram. I'm in NW Renton, and love to have a beer and tutor someone. PM me if you want to tlak about a date. Pat |
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Wildfamily
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Posted: May/04/07 at 10:19am |
FYI...direct from the source (M7)...regarding the issue of routing the plumbing for the catch can and pressure build up. After reading through the full thread I think the fellow's issues were due to poor installation or some other issue that just coincided with his install. Here is M7's follow-up to my question regarding the rumors... Martin,
YOU are right--there are no such issues--just as you suspected. Nothing to worry about--we've sold thousands around the wolrd. Please pass on corrected info to your club members or have them contact us directly for the proper information. We agree--it's always best to go right to the source.
Thank you again for your business and technical sensibility. We appreciate both.
Kind Regards,
Shelly Horvath
M7 Tuning
+1 562 608 8123
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