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    Posted: November/05/07 at 3:31am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 5:32am
Heh -

"THIS IS NOT LIKE THOSE CHEAP ENGINE DAMPERS YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE"

Yeah, cause there's NO damping whatsoever.  Just looks like one hard bar to me.  N - V - H.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 5:38am
Yeah, I think I would trust a TX Speed Works damper over that thing.  :)

Speaking of which, I just received my damper from a NAM sale the other day.  Need to install, of course, so no word yet on first impressions or anything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 7:07am
I have the Tx Speed Works damper (http://www.sparerib.net/mini/photos/damper2.jpg) and also the Mini Maddness lower mount (http://www.sparerib.net/mini/photos/gtt/cimg0650.jpg.  The TX Speed damper rattles a little bit at idle but the combination of both of these really snugs things up.  It'd be interesting to try the eBay arm.  The rubber bushings just might be enough... (plus would take care of the rattle).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 10:44am
I'd be concerned about the metal plates. Are they strong enough?
Only someone buying it can tell
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 11:09am
Originally posted by YakiMini YakiMini wrote:

I'd be concerned about the metal plates. Are they strong enough?
Only someone buying it can tell

I had noticed the same thing.  The front mount especially, using only a single point to secure the bracket is just asking to have it bent and fatigued with torque forces...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 2:10pm

I was looking at the solid bar concept, it is more like the lower mount.  I was thinking it would not a big deal to find new urethane bushings from shock mounts and beef up the plates. I am not sure with the Texas unit if the use air or oil for the dampening.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/05/07 at 10:16pm
Hi, John:

The TSW and Shoe's dampers all use a compressible plug inside the main tube.  The more it is compressed, the more damping and NVH.  Less compression - less damping and less NVH. 

That help?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/06/07 at 12:06am

Thanks Pat,

Yes that helps, explains the issues. Wonder why one has done compress nitrogen with oil? Still kind of interested in the solid likes the ebay one. I know I have seen that link system on a different automotive application. I have my parts guy looking to see what he can find it would be easy to make proper mount to test if it is already out there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/06/07 at 2:22am

Wonder who did it first?

http://www.lightningmotorsports.com/ingalls_engineering_stif fy.htm

Hummmm numbers to work with.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/06/07 at 2:47am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/06/07 at 9:34am
Woohoo!  P R I C E Y!!  But pretty.  Pat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 12:46am

Pat, I think I found something to play with.

http://www.seauto.com/product.cgi?group=13960&product=13 980

And these guys carry replacements for the rubber to polyurethane, I also see they have graphite impregnated bushings for sway bars.

http://www.suspension.com/part_order.htm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 12:48am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 3:26am

Pat do you know way they are reversing the damper on per 04's

http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t =101424

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 9:52am

John,

If you're planning to play with the "solid" type torque strut for a bit, perhaps us future owners of some type of engine dampener should wait for your next creation.  Your talents are no longer a secret!

I'm curious if anyone has somehow measured engine movement due to bursts of torque.  Also curious if the dimension between points of attachment for any type of dampener varies from MINI to MINI.  Having no means of adjustment for a solid device could be a difficulty.  I guess this comes to mind from discussions on the STB.  Given the same STB, some folks install with no clearance issue, while others soak and slam etc ... apparently, some dimensions that are supposed to be the same are not always the same.

As for the dampener you found on NAM, now those are serious brackets!

Leaning toward the fluid-filled type until we hear from you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 10:27am
Hi, John:  Not sure what you mean by reversed.  BTW - the Shoe damper is what I have - installed under the frame arm.  Boy, was THAT a job for Mr. Fat Fingers.  Hay-soos!

If you can find graphite bushings to fit our sway bars, that would be GREAT - most standard bushings don't start squeaking for about a year, but after that - wow!.  Graphite is a natural lubricant.  I wonder why more people don't offer them.  Cost?  High rates of wear?  Don't really know.

CT - I measured the before and after.  I had Jo play throttlemeister, and the engine rocked about an inch and a half before the damper.  It now rocks about 1/4 to 1/2 inch depending on how quickly the throttle is depressed and at what engine speed you start at.  NVH is noticeable, but doesn't register anymore.  I'm medium tight on the elastomeric bushing inside the damper.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/07 at 11:07am
Wow ... Not only I am impressed that someone measured this (good job), but I would have guessed abount half of that movement.  Now I know those light gauge brackets we saw the other day won't last too long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/08/07 at 3:06am

Hummm lets do the easy one first

The reversed thing if you look at the installation of the picture which you posted Pat which is what Texas shows. http://www.sparerib.net/mini/photos/damper2.jpg

The adjustment nut is to the rear and the mounting system is to the rear.

In the NAM posting that I put up the unit is forward and the adjustment aft http://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t =101424

Not to over complicate this, but based on how they are mounted it changes the rotational torque forces and how they are applied to the unit  and how it functions, I was just wondering why the difference.

2. I know the ID of the different swaybars, I just don't know the different mount dimensions, but I am sure I can find them or something that would work for the stock S. Graphite would be a nice replacement for rubber.

Ct, I like the Hydraulic concept these guys sell to Mercedes. http://www.stabilus.com/frameset.asp?sprache=englisch&he adline=Products&bereich=produkte&subsite=menue.asp

Only thing is with fluids when you blow the seals your done, still thinking that one over. I am leaning toward the dog bone style with urethane inserts, you can control the stiffness with the density of the material. The Drift racers seem to have really played with this stuff since they are hammering the $##@#@ out of there cars. I think one can get something better then where the manufacture left off and the hard core racers are.

The 1 1/2 is cool thanks, thats just engine wrap/torque. So for those that go to the track, under hard down shifting, acceleration and cornering it could easily be double that, which explains mount failure.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/08/07 at 3:12am
Probably explains why my hydraulic mount failed not long after 9/11 track day.  Time to install my TSW damper.  ;)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/08/07 at 3:28am

You Know Eric Toyota did the same thing with there 92-95 Camery's. They used an oil filled mount but they installed a Torque strut arm on the engines. Does anyone know if the GP's come with a torque strut?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/08/07 at 3:53am

BTW, I think I went a little over kill, back to the drawing board, Does Mr Cupcake need a torque strut

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/07 at 12:25am




Edited by johnf36 - January/21/08 at 2:58am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/07 at 12:37am
Once again - WOW!  Pat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/07 at 1:09am

Thanks Pat,

I might be a little light on the urethane, and I still need to install the bolt inserts an finish the mounts but the distance is right from eye to eye. I have a denser set of bushings but I think it my be to stiff for everyday use. May be a person can just change rods when they go to the track.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/07 at 10:41am
I'm in for one of these if you need a tester...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/10/07 at 3:19pm

Me too

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/11/07 at 12:05am

Okay I have a few questions as I am playing with mounts. I noticed in a Moss Mini picture something interesting on the passenger tower what looked like a torque arm and mount, Kind of hard to see.

So I went looking at parts Item number 8 on this page.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=RE33&mospi d=48021&btnr=22_0066&hg=22&fg=05

Okay so where and why did we loose our torque mount? Any thoughts or answers?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/11/07 at 12:24am

Okay I found that mount and a cool Mini parts supplier, 48 bucks, down side My Russian is not that good

http://www.avtodom.ru/services/accessory/?det=h

It is there down the page 3 in stock.

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