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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/08 at 11:37pm
Oh..and you can call me Bill "Gates"...seeing that I missed more gates than anyone in the morning session. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/08 at 11:48pm
oops, I will have to change that. Why is every group different?

Edit: Ok, I fixed it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/26/08 at 11:54pm
Kitsap Kup Event #3 - May 26th 2008
Top Times (out of 174 Entries)
Place Class Time Driver
12 TOAM 48.831 Keith Brown (Motoring)
18 TOAM 49.775 Kristi Brown (Motoring)
79 TOPM 54.368 Martin Wild (Wildfamily)
107 TOPM 56.858 Dean Prince (Charley)
116 SS 57.162 Gordon Baldwin (Garumph)
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Place Class Time Driver
27 TOAM 48.831 Keith Brown (Motoring)
33 TOAM 49.775 Kristi Brown (Motoring)
88 TOPM 54.368 Martin Wild (Wildfamily)
110 TOPM 56.858 Dean Prince (Charley)
118 SS 57.162 Gordon Baldwin (Garumph)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:14am
Plugging in our actual pax value of .815 (TO gets 1.000) I end up paxing 4th overall (39.797) and Kristi paxed 7th (40.567)       Gordon's actual index time is 45.272Thumbs%20Up  I'm not sure of Dean and Martin, I will assume a Street Mod index (because of the pulley...)  Martin 46.756, Dean 48.898

the only events that the top pax listing really works is SCCA, because that is only club that exclusively uses SCCA classing, and there are no indexes for the non-scca classes. 

Notice that the pax times are the same as the top times for all the drivers that don't have a class listed as x**  (XSTX or XSS for the top two drivers)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:16am
Did it rain much in the afternoon?  It was sprinkling a little when we left.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:18am
Afternoon was dry and warmer...great weather finally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:22am
Originally posted by garumph garumph wrote:

Why is every group different?


the clubs all have different history, and arrived at their classing structure differently.  WWSCC is actually older than SCCA.   BSCC has always been a club that allowed drivers to fairly freely modify their cars, notice that none of the BSCC classes are called "Stock"  (although stock doesn't mean "as delivered from the dealer" in any of the clubs)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:24am
Nice job representing the MINI nation Keith and Kristi. You both looked great out there. I'd love to ride along with one of you some time. This was only my 3rd event, so  I have much to learn from an experienced pilot like yourselves!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:37am
Yes,  practice practice practice...   I have been doing this for almost 10 years. (finding that hard to believe)

I do give ride-alongs,  and ride with folks as much as possible.  But my first responsibility is to my wife...   I also don't drive the MINI at every event, and the Miata doesn't have a passenger seat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 12:43am
Originally posted by motoring motoring wrote:

Originally posted by garumph garumph wrote:

Why is every group different?


the clubs all have different history, and arrived at their classing structure differently.  WWSCC is actually older than SCCA.   BSCC has always been a club that allowed drivers to fairly freely modify their cars, notice that none of the BSCC classes are called "Stock"  (although stock doesn't mean "as delivered from the dealer" in any of the clubs)


I understand, It was more of a rhetorical question. It is just frustrating coming into this sport. There are no descriptions on the sign in page so you have to be on your toes to make sure you are in the right class. With SS meaning two completely different things, I know I am going to show up for the wrong class one of these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 1:56am
Dang I messed up...  I used the 2007 indexes not the 2008.   I ended up 4th and Kristi 7th.  I have edited my original post
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 2:31am
Keith,
 
Where do you get the index from. I see that you use a different index for Gordon (stock)..is that because his car is a different build year? Dean and I have mods so understand that as well, but where can we find the index values? Still learning here so bare with me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 3:01am
the list of indexes are here

there is a little history there, each class has an index   my car is G Stock (GS), Gordon's is H Stock (HS).  Yours is something higher.  I guessed Street Mod (SM)

Classing gets odd, the rules sometimes do not take into account simple mods, and bump you to a much higher class.   If you had a JCW (including the JCW pulley) you could run STX or DSP.  But since you have an aftermarket pulley, you are in SM or higher. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 3:25am
I'm in the slow class. Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 5:22am
Well, that gives me a little idea of how much more I need to push it to keep up with you on an indexed basis Gordon. I guess I need to beat you by 4-5 seconds unadjusted next time. The gauntlet has been thrown! Drool  (all in good fun of course). It's fun!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 5:35am
since you are not playing for real, I would look more directly at the DSP index in doing comparisons.  that is assuming you car makes similar power to a JCW or GP in stock form
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 5:51am
I got to get me some stickier rubber for next weekend. Martin's coil overs have really put him on rails.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 5:54am
What is your budget?  street tires or race tires?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 6:01am
I want something street legal, I don't want to have to be swapping wheels all the time. I have my all seasons on 15" rims that I can swap out for daily driving, but I don't want to have to do it every time I get to the track. I would like to keep it around $100 a tire.

I have x-lite rims (16"x6.5)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 6:17am
two choices for ultra high performance tires in your budget. 

Falken RT-615   in a 215/45/16  $92  www.vulcantire.com
Dunlop Direzza Z1 StarSpec  205/50/16  $107  www.tirerack.com

both are great, but I would give the advantage to the dunlops

get them mounted and balanced at www.tightntidyracing.com




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/27/08 at 6:32am
I was looking at the Falken's. I will also have to check out the Dunlops. I was planning to head down to Discount Tire to see what they can do for me on one of those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/30/08 at 12:33pm
OK, I went with the Falkens. With the little testing I did today, I am excited for tomorrow! Wow these are sticky tires.

Who else is in for tomorrow?

Keith, I am hoping for a critical ride from you. It is coming together, but I need some pointers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/30/08 at 1:22pm
I'd be there but have an appt down south that I don't think will be done in time to make it to the raceway. Let us know how the new shoes work out Gordon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/31/08 at 6:14am
Wow! huge difference. Much stickier. Now if the driver would just smooth out the line, I might get my times down lower.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/01/08 at 1:05pm
Sorry I didn't get to ride with you Gordon,  hopefully next time.

Good job on second place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/03/08 at 11:04am
Thanks. It was fun with the new tires.

Here is the YouTube video of all 6 runs. There is a little NSFW language on the 4th run. Shocked

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/08 at 9:41am
Gordon, nice job. Like the videos!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/08 at 12:06pm
nice runs Gordon. Looks like fun!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/08 at 1:03pm
From looking at the video and thinking back. 3 things:

1. Get moving off the line. I putzed around for too long after the start
b. slow down on the turn around. I'm not trying to go fast, I am trying to go the other direction.
III. the left hander after the cross over, why was I aiming for the turn cone? I should be rounding the corner more to set myself up for the next turn.
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