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    Posted: March/16/11 at 6:38pm
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I recently bought an after market deck and I'm looking to get it into my '04 mini... the only problem is I currently have a HK system in place.  I've heard that trying to install an after market deck is a miserable process when the HK system is in place.  

My question is has anybody done this and is it as bad as I have heard or am I getting worked up over nothing?  I would love any help on this topic!

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I've read as well that it's a bit of a nighmare.  When I pull that trigger, I'm going to do the whole system, speakers and all.
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I suspect it can't be that hard if you know how to take apart interior trim and know how to install car stereos. It's just wires and speakers, right? 
The HK system has an amp in the boot on the right side. Seems like you'd need to run some of those wires back up to where the head is... 
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Let's hope it's that simple =)

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Yes I think I'm going to just end up wiring the speakers directly to the head unit *sigh*, I was hoping that I would be able to utilize the amp/not have to re-wire everything.  If anyone has heard of another solution it'd be awesome!
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The problem is the H/K amp and speakers are all 1 ohm(they might be 2 ohm).  Whatever, it's different than standard amps & speakers.  Is your new HU powered? and if so do you want to use it to run the door speakers or do you just want the HU to control the H/k amp which will still run all the speakers. 
 
It's been awhile since I did my system but I ended up replacing everything.  However, there are some kind of wirining harness or something that lets you use the h/k amp and speaks with a new hu.  Check NAM I just saw a thread about it within the last month.  If I find it I'll send it to you.
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Thanks!  I am going to do some research.  I am trying to do a double din install and it has 50W mosfet amp built into the deck.  I have a few extra cross overs from an old install so if I decide to wire it directly I should be able to use the speakers at their proper frequencies at least.  
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I second the suggestion to check NAM, there is a dedicated forum I believe specifically for this topic
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well after many hours of reading I think what I'm going to do is cut the H/K amp complete out. I have a few extra amplifiers and I can't decide if I want to try and wire a new amp into the system or if I want to just wire directly.  I have a feeling that this project is going to take a lot longer than expected.
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NAM is a good resource and another place to check out is mp3car.com.  There are some MINI installs described there if you do a search for them.  I've been doing a lot of research too because I want to install a touchscreen to use my backup camera that I got.  But I got kind of overwhelmed and put it all on hold.  I know I came across a lot of good threads describing how to take apart the dash to get to the headunit.  I even found a Utube video describing it really well.  Oh, and if you need to get a double din dash kit, I found a pretty good resource for one.



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Thanks for the heads up!  I'm going to begin the operation this weekend.  I'm pretty competent when it comes to this stuff so i'm hoping to be able to get it done by the end of the day Sunday.  I'm trying to install a Pioneer Avic Z2 unit, fingers crossed! Sleepy
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Thats a nice receiver... I have an older pioneer receiver but running the polk crossovers front & back..
I need to look into that one.. I almost went with the Z1
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I'll let you know how the install goes... I've just started and well, it's going to be a long weekend (yes I know it's Thursday night).
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I'll let you guys know how it goes and try to do a write up with pictures once I figure out what I am going to do.  The double din install is definitely going to require a lot of cutting and it may require relocating the AC dampener motor.  I'm trying to avoid moving it but it may be inevitable.  Damn you small stereo compartment! Pinch
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Any chance you still have your HK Amp?

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I heard that removing an HK amp from a car originaly equiped with one can cause a problem should you ever need your car recoded at the dealer. the problem being that the system will tell you there is a module missing and not allow a reprogram. now I cannot confirm this I have only read about it being a problem on another forum. I cant imagine it comes up very often. most people would never remove the amp even if they upgraded the whole system. I have been wanting to remove mine but honestly wonder if its worth the risk. I would probably never need the BCM reprogramed but it sure would suck if I did and was missing the amp. the real problem being that if I removed the amp I would pull the wiring as well. no point in it being there and there is alot of it.
ok that was long winded, I really just wanted to ask if anyone else has ever heard anything like this? anyone? Bueller?
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That is true. I ran into this problem when I tried to code some options on another club member's car, who had removed his stereo. The software would not let us proceed to the next step, even though we didn't care about the stereo. We eventually worked around the problem by using NCSEXPERT, a hacked car config tool.
 
 
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Originally posted by Twiggles85 Twiggles85 wrote:

Hi everyone,

I recently bought an after market deck and I'm looking to get it into my '04 mini...

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Put all your music on an MP3 player and sell the "deck".  It might be way easier to do it/make compatible with MINIBig smile.   And then where would you store enough CD's to hold a thousand tunes or more?  I assume you are talking about CD's and not tapes!  The term "Deck" makes me wonder.


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Kurt was it the removal of the amp that caused the problem or had this person just removed the head unit? if you know.
 
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Looking for a hk amp if anyone has one available....

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as most people would never remove the HK amp from their own car I would check with wrecking yards. I know British Auto Center in west seattle has several Minis in stock.
and this company http://www.usedminicooperparts.com/ has everything
 
 
Originally posted by maddthree maddthree wrote:

Looking for a hk amp if anyone has one available....

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Hey guys,

Sorry i was out this weekend so I didn't get back to you sooner.  Anyway, i still have the amp, and if we wanted to give it a shot we could try installing it.  I also have the original deck that went with it which may work past the coding errors.

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Nick,

Will you please give me a call at your convenience.  I would like to talk to you about taking the amp off your hands!

Thank you.

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Originally posted by bobbydanger bobbydanger wrote:

Kurt was it the removal of the amp that caused the problem or had this person just removed the head unit? if you know.
 
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I know this is very old post; I never responded but will for anyone searching for this information or something - The head unit is the thing that prevents SSS from executing car/key memory (CKM) programming. If you replace the factory head unit, the CKM software routine will fail. 
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so no new keys after replacing head unit?
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I completely replaced my sound system in my car. I even added two amps. I havent had any problems with it. Its a big pain in the butt trying to hide most of the wires. Kurt I still do need my car worked on but been real busy with my work. I'll touch basis with you here soon.
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