Upcoming Autox at Bremerton
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Topic: Upcoming Autox at Bremerton
Posted By: motoring
Subject: Upcoming Autox at Bremerton
Date Posted: May/08/08 at 1:35am
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There are 4 days of autocross coming up at Bremerton. May 25 SCCA will be hosting. http://www.nwr-scca.org/solo/nextevent.htm - http://www.nwr-scca.org/solo/nextevent.htm May 26 BSCC http://bscc.net/component/option,com_extcalendar/Itemid,17/extmode,view/extid,78/%20%20%20 - http://bscc.net/component/option,com_extcalendar/Itemid,17/extmode,view/extid,78/ May 31 Torque Steerers, WWSCC Event #1 http://www.wwscc.org/evinfo/2008wwscc1.html - http://www.wwscc.org/evinfo/2008wwscc1.html June 1 Torque Steerers , WWSCC Event #2 http://www.wwscc.org/evinfo/2008wwscc2.html - http://www.wwscc.org/evinfo/2008wwscc2.html All events are open to everyone. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
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Posted By: YakiMini
Date Posted: May/08/08 at 11:03am
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Sorry to post this, but SSSCC will have a 3 day event that weekend as well! Hopefully I can make it to at least one event no matter where! Tristan ------------- MINI-less... If God allows, I will have one again some day. :D |
Posted By: joe r
Date Posted: May/08/08 at 11:09am
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Everything so kool is so for away from Wenatchee.errrr
joe r ------------- 04 R53PureSilver|Aero kit|Dinan Stage5|Dinan Boost upgrade|Dinan intake|Dinan throttle body|Invidia exhaust|Dinan rear sway bar|H&R coilovers|Alta rear control arms|M7 STP & BBS R90 wheels.. |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 12:34am
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Just to bring this back to the top... SCCA is holding an event on Sunday in the normal autox area. BSCC is holding a practice at the same time at the top end to the left from the site entrance. Monday is a regular BSCC event. If you are a PCA member, or are invited by one, Saturday is a PCA autocross. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 7:50am
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I'm in for Monday. I am running in the SS class instead of Novice this time, so I will be there for the afternoon session. I could only swing one day so I thought I would stay with BSCC. Anyone else running this weekend? ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: phydeaux
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 9:43am
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May try to swing Sunday. Can't do Monday, I think. And I know that though this would be my first time, I am way out of any of stock class.
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http://www.phydeaux.net/mini_mods.html - Mod list '05 DS/B MCS WA plate "2AAREQD" |
Posted By: scoop
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 10:09am
| I would like to try on Monday, but it's a full day off for the whole family. What class would I be in again, Gordon? |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 11:13am
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Starting out go Novice. You can then run anytime, morning or afternoon. Also as a novice the teachers will usually jump in your car for a run or two to give pointers. Also in novice it doesn't matter what you have done on your car. Within each run group everyone mixes up so you could have a novice and sport A right after each other, but you are all on the same course with the same rules. It is a heck of a lot of fun you and Andy can share a car and run in the same group. The shared car line goes twice as often as the single driver line. Definite advantage as it keeps the tires warm. I can't convince Shelly to try it. At $25 a driver it is a deal. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: scoop
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 11:15am
| Would you suggest Scoop or Cupcake? |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 11:37am
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Doesn't really matter. I would probably run Scoop. I would go with whichever has the best rubber. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 11:47am
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Won't be able to make this one as we will be on the eastside camping...unless the weather craps out....then I might be there and just have to register day of. Really looking forward to trying out the new coilovers and see what a difference it makes. Just had my alignment done at Cantrell Motorsports today...boy does have some grip now!!! ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: phydeaux
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 2:47pm
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So Novice doesn't really get put into the exact class that the car qualifies under? Hmmm...
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http://www.phydeaux.net/mini_mods.html - Mod list '05 DS/B MCS WA plate "2AAREQD" |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/22/08 at 3:56pm
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novice class does not make allowances for car prep (other than race tires are not allowed) It is just a good place to figure out how things work, while letting the regulars know you are a newbie, so they can provide assistance ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: phydeaux
Date Posted: May/23/08 at 1:15am
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Excellent! Haven't brought this up with the wife yet, though she does know that I want to at least try my hand at auto-x.
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http://www.phydeaux.net/mini_mods.html - Mod list '05 DS/B MCS WA plate "2AAREQD" |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/23/08 at 5:56am
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Ok..I'm back in the game. The weather looks like it sucks in EWA mtns for the weekend so no camping for us. I'll be doing AM Novice and PM Time Only. See you all there! ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: scoop
Date Posted: May/23/08 at 9:01am
| What day Martin? |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/23/08 at 10:57am
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I'm 90% sure Martin is running on Monday. That is the group we have been running with.
------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/23/08 at 11:10am
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Yes, Monday...all day..Autocross AM...Lunch...Autocross PM....fun fun fun. Come on down Scoop! I think Dean will be there too. Also see there is a yellow mini registered as well. ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 8:36am
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It was nice to put faces with names, nice to meet MiniCharley and Wildfamily. Glad you had a good time. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 1:00pm
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motoring, that was your MINI that you were changing the tires on when I pulled in? Shoot, I should have come by and said hi. I have http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eItJ11nf4Hw - in car video of my 4 runs. I wish I had some video of Dean "Kone Killer" Prince (MiniCharley) he spun in the finish chute after a great run and they only gave him 6 cones ( I thought it should be closer to a dozen) Martin (Wildfamily) had a tough morning, but was stellar the afternoon. We even got to run in the sun and dry. Good times. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 1:23pm
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I saw you drive by at one point, but i think i was in the trailer having lunch. Come out next weekend, and say hi :) ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 1:33pm
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I hope to be there for at least on day. If you are up for a ride, I would welcome some pointers. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: phydeaux
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 1:56pm
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Dang, too much happening for me to get away and teach the cones who's boss. ;) Next weekend is the next auto-x date?
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http://www.phydeaux.net/mini_mods.html - Mod list '05 DS/B MCS WA plate "2AAREQD" |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 2:04pm
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yes, next weekend, both days in Bremerton. see the first post for registration links ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 2:12pm
No problem, I am generally available for that duty... ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
garumph wrote:Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 2:28pm
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I just signed up and paid for Saturday (5-31). I run first in the morning. See ya then. Who else is in? ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: MiniCharley
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 2:41pm
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What a day!!!! I'm surprised I only took out 6 cones too!! I counted 10 as I was hitting them!! You have to admit, it made for an exciting finish! I wish I had a video of it too. It was more than a cone kill ..... it was a cone massacre! Keith - it was good to meet you and your wife! If you want some tips on how to finish big, just let me know, I'd be happy to share my "special finish" that Gordon spoke of.. I'd love to get your tips on how to get the mini on 3 wheels! Very impressive. Dean ------------- Our family: 12 R60 All4 SB/Blk WILDBLUE 12 R59 JCW Roaster PB/RED APOLLO 04 IB/W MCS CHARLEY 12 All4 CB/Bk YONDER 12 CoupeS LB/Bk DBCOUPE 80 Mini Kensington Red STELLA |
Posted By: phydeaux
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 2:51pm
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31st is out for me. Rescheduled baseball game for my son. The 1st may be do-able.
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http://www.phydeaux.net/mini_mods.html - Mod list '05 DS/B MCS WA plate "2AAREQD" |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 10:52pm
SS in WWSCC is not Small sedan... it is super stock. Home of corvettes and vipers. You should change to Stock E ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 11:36pm
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Keith,
It was nice meeting you and your wife. That is quite a trailer set up you have. Love how the miata fits in right under the Mini! Cool stuff. Oh, and tell your wife that I was impressed with her driving. Not sure if you noticed but she actually got on 2 wheels on the back stretch for a milisecond!
I was having some visualization issues in section 1-2 in the AM session so that was a throw away, but PM went really well and turned in some nice times. Was great running with all of you again. Dean...I think we need to call Charley..Charley Manson since he is now a "mass murderer" of cones! LOL That was awesome! ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 11:37pm
Oh..and you can call me Bill "Gates"...seeing that I missed more gates than anyone in the morning session.  ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 11:48pm
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oops, I will have to change that. Why is every group different? Edit: Ok, I fixed it. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/26/08 at 11:54pm
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Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:14am
Plugging in our actual pax value of .815 (TO gets 1.000) I end up
paxing 4th overall (39.797) and Kristi paxed 7th
(40.567) Gordon's actual index time
is 45.272
I'm not sure of Dean and Martin, I will assume a Street Mod index
(because of the pulley...) Martin 46.756, Dean 48.898the only events that the top pax listing really works is SCCA, because that is only club that exclusively uses SCCA classing, and there are no indexes for the non-scca classes. Notice that the pax times are the same as the top times for all the drivers that don't have a class listed as x** (XSTX or XSS for the top two drivers) ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:16am
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Did it rain much in the afternoon? It was sprinkling a little when we left.
------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:18am
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Afternoon was dry and warmer...great weather finally. ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:22am
the clubs all have different history, and arrived at their classing structure differently. WWSCC is actually older than SCCA. BSCC has always been a club that allowed drivers to fairly freely modify their cars, notice that none of the BSCC classes are called "Stock" (although stock doesn't mean "as delivered from the dealer" in any of the clubs) ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:24am
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Nice job representing the MINI nation Keith and Kristi. You both looked great out there. I'd love to ride along with one of you some time. This was only my 3rd event, so I have much to learn from an experienced pilot like yourselves! ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:37am
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Yes, practice practice practice... I have been doing this for almost 10 years. (finding that hard to believe) I do give ride-alongs, and ride with folks as much as possible. But my first responsibility is to my wife... I also don't drive the MINI at every event, and the Miata doesn't have a passenger seat. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 12:43am
I understand, It was more of a rhetorical question. It is just frustrating coming into this sport. There are no descriptions on the sign in page so you have to be on your toes to make sure you are in the right class. With SS meaning two completely different things, I know I am going to show up for the wrong class one of these days. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 1:56am
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Dang I messed up... I used the 2007 indexes not the 2008.
I ended up 4th and Kristi 7th. I have edited my original post
------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 2:31am
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Keith,
Where do you get the index from. I see that you use a different index for Gordon (stock)..is that because his car is a different build year? Dean and I have mods so understand that as well, but where can we find the index values? Still learning here so bare with me. ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 3:01am
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the list of indexes are http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/rtp2008.html - here there is a little history there, each class has an index my car is G Stock (GS), Gordon's is H Stock (HS). Yours is something higher. I guessed Street Mod (SM) Classing gets odd, the rules sometimes do not take into account simple mods, and bump you to a much higher class. If you had a JCW (including the JCW pulley) you could run STX or DSP. But since you have an aftermarket pulley, you are in SM or higher. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 3:25am
I'm in the slow class. 
------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 5:22am
Well, that gives me a little idea of how much more I need to push it to keep up with you on an indexed basis Gordon. I guess I need to beat you by 4-5 seconds unadjusted next time. The gauntlet has been thrown!  (all in good fun of course). It's fun!------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 5:35am
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since you are not playing for real, I would look more directly at the
DSP index in doing comparisons. that is assuming you car makes
similar power to a JCW or GP in stock form
------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 5:51am
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I got to get me some stickier rubber for next weekend. Martin's coil overs have really put him on rails. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 5:54am
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What is your budget? street tires or race tires? ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 6:01am
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I want something street legal, I don't want to have to be swapping wheels all the time. I have my all seasons on 15" rims that I can swap out for daily driving, but I don't want to have to do it every time I get to the track. I would like to keep it around $100 a tire. I have x-lite rims (16"x6.5) ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 6:17am
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two choices for ultra high performance tires in your budget. Falken RT-615 in a 215/45/16 $92 http://www.vulcantire.com - www.vulcantire.com Dunlop Direzza Z1 StarSpec 205/50/16 $107 http://www.tirerack.com - www.tirerack.com both are great, but I would give the advantage to the dunlops get them mounted and balanced at http://www.tightntidyracing.com - www.tightntidyracing.com ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/27/08 at 6:32am
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I was looking at the Falken's. I will also have to check out the Dunlops. I was planning to head down to Discount Tire to see what they can do for me on one of those.
------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/30/08 at 12:33pm
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OK, I went with the Falkens. With the little testing I did today, I am excited for tomorrow! Wow these are sticky tires. Who else is in for tomorrow? Keith, I am hoping for a critical ride from you. It is coming together, but I need some pointers. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: May/30/08 at 1:22pm
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I'd be there but have an appt down south that I don't think will be done in time to make it to the raceway. Let us know how the new shoes work out Gordon. ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: May/31/08 at 6:14am
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Wow! huge difference. Much stickier. Now if the driver would just smooth out the line, I might get my times down lower.
------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: motoring
Date Posted: June/01/08 at 1:05pm
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Sorry I didn't get to ride with you Gordon, hopefully next time. Good job on second place. ------------- Keith 02 IB/W MC with the really big checkered flag on top - GONE 07 MY/B MCS with some sort of stripes or something |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: June/03/08 at 11:04am
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Thanks. It was fun with the new tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x245QZfqLbw - Here is the YouTube video of all 6 runs. There is a little NSFW language on the 4th run. 
------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |
Posted By: Boomer
Date Posted: June/04/08 at 9:41am
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Gordon, nice job. Like the videos!
Cheers!
------------- 07 MCS, JIC Cross C/O, JCW BBK, Milltek exhaust, RR DP, Helix I/C, RMW tune (208.5 WHP & 238.3 WTQ)Ray's (17 lbs) and Nitto NT01 for track duty |
Posted By: Wildfamily
Date Posted: June/04/08 at 12:06pm
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nice runs Gordon. Looks like fun! ------------- '15 F55 Cooper Volcanic Orange '80 Mini English White |
Posted By: garumph
Date Posted: June/04/08 at 1:03pm
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From looking at the video and thinking back. 3 things: 1. Get moving off the line. I putzed around for too long after the start b. slow down on the turn around. I'm not trying to go fast, I am trying to go the other direction. III. the left hander after the cross over, why was I aiming for the turn cone? I should be rounding the corner more to set myself up for the next turn. ------------- Gordon Clifford, '14 Countryman All4 S Hunka Burning Love, '12 Coupe S, Burnt Orange Flames, '05 MC Black |